On the Sacraments

The sacraments help us in worship by reminding us what God has done for us in the past, by bringing us closer to God in the present, and by turning our minds toward our future life with God in eternity.” –Michael F. Bird, Evangelical Theology, emphasis added

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9 Responses to On the Sacraments

  1. theoldadam says:

    We believe that it is actually better than that (the post).

    That God puts the Cross (the death and the new life) into a concrete, tangible, real time moment in our personal history, into the water, the bread and the wine…for us, as a free gift. This brings freedom…and assurance.

    Radical stuff. But that’s what we believe.

  2. theoldadam says:

    Plenty of room for mystery. How He makes Himself present, we do not, cannot know.
    We only trust that He is in it.
    He never commanded that we do anything, wherein He would not be present in it, for us.

    Thanks, TC.

    • TC Robinson says:

      Are you Missouri Synod Lutheran?

      • theoldadam says:

        No. We are basically independent (have many issues with the ELCA), even though we are officially ELCA. We haven’t had much at all to do with them over the last 15 years.

        LCMS has a Southern Baptist doctrine of the Word…so we couldn’t go there.

        We are centrist Lutherans out of the Forde camp, basically.

  3. TC Robinson says:

    Ah. Thanks for the clarity. What are your issues with the Southern Baptist doctrine of the Word? I am curious.

  4. theoldadam says:

    We place all confidence in Christ to work and create faith in sinners, when and where He will. We do not believe that the Living God requires an inerrant text, to do this.
    Early Christians never believed that God required an inerrant text to accomplish His will here on earth. In fact, they believed as we do, and as Scripture says, that “the Lord uses earthen vessels…”

    He uses the poor words of the sinful preacher. He uses ordinary water and ordinary bread. (of course, with His perfect Word attached to those things)

    Even our dear Lord Jesus Himself was fully man…and yet fully God.

    So there’s no reason for the book to have to be perfect and without errors. If it were, then one wouldn’t even need any faith. It would be like a Christian Koran.

    The finite contains the infinite. That is just how God has chosen to work in this world.


    So, the LCMS paint themselves into a corner and have to contort themselves all out of shape defending things that do not need defending. And it opens the door to legalism, as well, as is evident in their errant doctrine of the so-called “3rd use of the law”, which is akin to letting the fox back into the henhouse.

    “Christ is the end of the law, for righteousness, for all who believe.”

    Hope that clarifies a bit. Happy to clarify further on anything, TC.

    I have a few good pieces on my blog regarding inerrancy and “3rd use”…if you’d like further insight to what we believe and why. Not that I’m trying to plug my blog or anything, but I have to hit the hay…long day at work tomorrow. I hope you understand, TC. Thank you, friend.

    – Steve

    • TC Robinson says:

      I sympathize to a degree since I wrestle with the same, not holding to inerrancy as it is framed by SB and others, going back to CSBI 1978.

      To suggest that biblical inerrantists are treating the sacred Scriptures like Christian Qur’an will get you in trouble. 😉

  5. theoldadam says:

    Thanks, TC.

    Hopefully, the right kind of trouble!

    Talk to you soon, friend.

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